According to Harmer, there is no shame in having disruptive students in our classroom. So when there is a problem, we should ask colleagues, and even principals, for guidance (p. 160).
Do you agree? Or do you consider Harmer's advice inappropriate for ROK teaching situations? Explain your position.
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For me, yes! I strongly agree to Harmer's advice. Because as a teacher, it is your responsibility to monitor and supervise the students' attitudes and behaviors inside the classroom. But when this kind of problem arises (e.g. a bully student/warfrake), try to solve it first in your own way. You must give more attention to this kind of student, give him more love(ideally speaking!) and care because maybe he/she is not recieving it at home(considering that school is a child's second home and a teacher is playing a role of a second parents).And if you can not solve the said problem, despite of all your time and efforts in helping the student to change his undesirable traits or behavior, that is the time where you may seek advice and help BUT not to your colleagues BUT to the people who are more responsible to hear and to help your problem. For example, the school Supervisor or Principal because that is their obligation as the head of a certain Academy or Institutions (looking after the welfare of his/her people within the school premises and jurisdiction).
ReplyDeleteAnd I think it is appropriate in all teaching situations all over the world except maybe for those countries who has different types of Government System. But for the democratic one, like the ROK, I think Harmer's advice is very appropriate.
Of course, I totally agree with Harmer's advice. Teachers can often find students who disrupt their classes. At first, they warn them to follow the classroom rules, but those naughty students hardly listen to teachers. If teachers keep concerning about those rude students, they can not complete thier lesson in 45 minutes. Therefore, I believe vice principals or principals should step forward to displine those students. In that case, teachers can stick to their lesson without wasting time for manners-related speech. However, concerning ROK educational system, some vice pricipals and principals are not willing to be involved. They want teachers to slove all the problems no matter how long it takes in the class. Even when teachers ask naughty students to stay out of the classroom due to mal behavior, vice principals and principals order teachers to call in those students in the name of students' learning rights. As a teacher in ROK, I do not have any spare time to do my personal thing in school. Not only I take care of my homeroom class and English classes, but also I do red-taped paper works in many fields. That's why I envy teachers in other countries who only foucus on teaching. It will be blessing for Korean teachers if vice principals and principals volunteer to counsel these disruptive students.
ReplyDeleteHello Professor Thomas,
ReplyDelete1. This is Okhee Ahn in the class WB I love to study TESOL this Friday ,
But I must be absent this Friday class. Because there's a special meeting
in my working school which I have to attend. it will be finished around 7pm.
After finishing this, going to study for TESOL will not meet th time.
As I let you know many times, 3 hours, long distance
from my area(Goseong) to Pusan make me not do both things.
2. Is it right that we don't have any classes on June 6th, the national offday? Please let me know.
3. Would you let me know if there is an assignment for this Friday class?
Please reply with short answers of 1~3 that I can know you read this email.
See you next Friday class.
Best regards
Okhee
Contact 010-6565-1599 okhiya03@hanmail.net
I agree with Harmer's advice. All around world we find disruptive students. They have problems that are related to all kind of things (such as problems at home, poor school record or bad relationships with friends). Teachers learned methods to treat disorderly students and talk to students at university, but all teachers don't know and understand all theories of advice. That's why we ask colleagues, principals and professional advisers.
ReplyDeleteFifteen years ago, Korea didn't have a lot of problems from student, but parents need to make money because of an increasing high cost of living. They have no time to care about their children. At that time, many problems broke out with students in Korea so we need people who know how to treat disruptive students. For these reasons, Harmer's advice is appropriate.
**As we usually teach the teens who are in adolescent period that they are hard to control even themselves, they need definitely restrict not only principles but also disciplines. If ignore this, They'll sometimes can behave groups or they can behave even they don't mean.
ReplyDeleteFurthermore as my previous experiences of managing the students in the class, sharing the conflicts with other colleagues or principles who have more experiences and get helps or some
**Therefore I agree that we shoud ask colleagues, and even principals, for guidance for disruptive students.
There are reasons about it.
**First, once disruptive students happened in the classroom, next will be happened more esilly. The disruption by students in the class must restrict from the beginning. Then the rest of classmates shouldn't behave as the disruptive students.
**Second, It should report to other colleagues, and even principals depending on the degree of the disruption. If the students disrupt the atmosphere of class intentioinally or with devil mind, the teacher should share this case with other other colleagues first to get some advice and solution. Sometimes even principals
**Third, Failing to manage to conflicts will infect and hinder their classmates' process of the curriculums
Before we teachers feedback to students' written-work, we need to remember these.
ReplyDeleteAs I know, Writing is one of the creative work using letter and have various advantages if the students are used to. For instance, some students who are shy to speak English in public, they can prefer to write than to use verbal advice. **For Korean EFL leaners, they haven't been enough chances to express their creative ideas by writing. even other regular national language classes. It means they don't have enough confidence in writing even in their mother language. More worse, the more they go higher school, the less chances to write is taken out from their curriculum. Most of them in Korea, who write about some topics in English, they must be more 2nd year of middle school students, even though some area like Gangnam of Seoul have totally opposite situation that they are able to write some topics easily by being trained.
**With all this circumstances of Korea Education of English, to feedback the language forms of writer's draft should be avoid at its maximum at the beginning and encourage writer express his ideas into his writing more. **I will focus the contents, that is, encourage the writer use his creative ideas to the topic.
and elicit the writer to have confidence to collect their potential ideas to relevant topic.
**Next, focusing how the writer put the appreciate information into his/her writing
**For the final version of writing I would point out the language forms precisely such as grammatical mistakes , awkward sentence,,wrong tense, punctuation problem and mark only these errors.
Why I even commit these correct is that the writing can be published enough or make a chances to present to the publics.
Basically I agree with Hammer, but in reality we should be very careful not to hurt the disruptive students.
ReplyDeleteWhen we have a disruptive student in our classroom, first of all, it is very difficult to control the whole class. The teacher and the other students might be disturbed and frustrated so the whole class would be out of control.
We should give considerable effort to solve the problem ourselves for quite time.
Sometimes, it would be helpful to ask colleagues or principals who have a lot of experiences of dealing disruptive students.
We might get their advices, that is, their know-how's to control those students effectively. Some of their advices would be very helpful and applicable to our classroom context right away.
However, we have to be very careful to open the problem of our students to others. And the secret has to be kept. Because the disruptive students might be hurted even more if they realize that we talked to others about their problems. And it may drive them to worse situation, like doing more disruptive actions in the class or quitting school. As teachers we must think our student's benefit first, I think. I know that sometimes they are out of our control, anyway. Then should we give up those students?
Actually managing disruptive students in our classroom is very troublesome task!!
I entirely agree Harmer's advice.
ReplyDeleteIt happens to anywhere.
when teacher controls disruptive students in class, they have trouble to soothing them.
If that is the case, it is recommendable for teachers to solicit advices to collegues (e.g. director, principle, consultant expert)
that people maybe have experienced a awkward students.
So, more than anything else, they will give instruction better
guidances.
This modifying of problem is completely necessary either for student's self or for an entire atmosphere of calss.
however, when diruptive students controlled, they are need to
deal with sensibly,all things considered (e.g. talk place, time..)
not to be sensible of shame.
I definitely agree with the idea that when there is a problem with having disruptive students in classroom, we should ask colleagues, and even principals, for guidance.
ReplyDeleteFirst of all, through many experience,
principals already has gotten a number of wise ways to control the disruptive students. So when that “precious” information is given to us, it might be a great help to solve out the problem which has been made a headache.
Moreover, I firmly believe that sharing with hard problem and asking colleagues are a quite good idea which can find out the solution. The rationale behind this is that, obviously, it can be happened that the colleagues also have a same problem with their students and have a hard time in effort to figure out the problem as well. So that it will become easier to find out proper solutions that doing by oneself. What is more, as the processing goes to, co – workers can understand and encourage each other how they can deal with the problem.
Plus, I would add an important point we should be careful about possibilities that students can get hurt somehow and to make a preconception of students.
“Get some idea from the specialists.”
ReplyDeleteI believe this is a very good idea to approach the solution and help your own decision.
If there are disruptive students in our class, it will be very hard to control the whole class and also not good for other students’ behavior without teacher’s control or help. So teacher’s role would be important to both disruptive students and other students. I think when we see the problematic students we should approach to them carefully. Because they might have some kind of hostility, so if we mass up with them, it will be harder to fix it. So when we realize the problem, we can ask some advises from the experienced teachers and even books, and consider their state and environment. After that, try to get close to the student and give more concerns. This would be a big challenge to the teacher but also valuable role of the teacher.
I think Harmer gives quite general advices about dealing this difficult situation. Teachers should be well prepared to handle with disruptive students both in attitude and knowledge. Never would teachers find just all students behave themselves, but some could be really difficult to handle with. The teachers themselves are the primary person who are responsible for these students at least at school. They need to try multiple ways to solve the problems such as asking advices to the senior teachers or principle, doing research about the cases, and must try to get help from their parents or guardians. I believe even the classmates could be a big help if the disruptive student has some kind of mental problem or even though it is just behavior problem. Students could also learn how should we get along with undesirable people in society. If the problem becomes out of control, must the teacher ask help to authority for the sake of other students' comfort and safety in class.
ReplyDeleteIt is quite true that we always have troublemaking students in any classroom. What Harmer mentioned in the book is that we have to get some help from other people to deal with those students. In general, I agree with his advice to solve some problems. However, for ROK teaching situations, we should not overlook some negative effects from it. When we talk about a bad student (or students) with other teachers, they could have bias to him/her. And it could create more problem than it was. If teachers wear glasses of prejudice, then everything he/she does seems like bad even though it is not. In addition, like an old saying, Bad news travels faster than other western countries in Korea. Thus, we should be careful to manage it.
ReplyDeleteManaging class successfully is really important. Every class has some disruptive students more or less. It's not shame having that kind of students. So you can ask your co-workers about it. They might give you useful ideas. But asking principal is not a good way for guide. Principals are your boss, not your colleagues. In their position, they judge you.
ReplyDeleteTo take care of disruptive students you need power over them. I don't mean physical power, emotional power. If they respect you, they will listen to you. To get that type of power, you need to make rapport with students first. One of good method for it is remembering each students' name, and call their name. This idea is from my personal experience. It really worked. In addition, If you try to find out their good parts and praise them, you can be power teacher. And you can not ignore this, too. - You should know what you teach.
I strongly believe that harmer insisted the best way to handle interuptive students.
ReplyDeleteWhen teaching students who reach the age of puberty, teachers need to know how to treat them with many experiences. But teachers who don`t know the way to teach them efficiently, they should ask colleagues, and even principals for guidance. They must have various experiences to treat disruptive students in the class.
Also, teachers have to have their own way to treat interruptive students. The way to treat interruptive students would be various according to the each situation and student because every student has different temper and personality. but how can teach and manage them with same way? Even though, teachers treat interruptive students under the co-workers or principal’s guidance, it might not be a same situation and student. So It wouldn’t be a complete solution. Therefore teachers have to have their own way and experience to treat interruptive students.
I think it's appropriate way to ask some guidances to our collegues,principals or someone else who can handle this problem.
ReplyDeleteBut the best way to solve this kind of problem is to find a way by yourself.Because every class has disruptive students and we can't avoid to deal with this kind of students.
So at first,we have to know better about disruptive students.For example,their backgrounds,personalities and so on...
And we should have communication with them many times to close and understand them better.
Of course,our collegues and principals can give us some guidances but every students has different characters and backgrounds.And it's your students so you are the one who can deal with these students.
So I think the best way is to find your own way to handle with them and the second best way is to ask some guidances to others.
I totally agree with Harmer's advice. Of course, teachers should take control of the classroom, but sometimes kids goes out of teacher's control. The disruptive students spoils the classes continuously, teachers should take good and wiser advices from directors, or principals.
ReplyDeleteMost directors or principals might have handled many cases of this kind of problems. They can give more professional, more practical solutions and more experienced proven advices to the students.
By dividing the responsibilities of students like this, teachers can pour their energy just on teaching them entirely. Teachers don't have to waste their energy on correcting disruptive behaviors. If teachers take the Harmer's advice at class, I believe it will help teachers doing their prior jobs effectively.
Most of elementay school students in Korea, their writing skills are not good. Because they learn Enlish writing from 4th grades but their writing levels are low just to read and writing Alphabet. When they are in 5th grades, they can read not only some words in phoenics and but also easy sentences. Students begin to making or writing some of meaningful sentences, reading fairy tales. After reading books, students writing their feelings, or writing their life. Teachers are reading the composition and check the spellings or the method of using verbs, or compose meaning. If the teacher have to do that kind of teaching, they have to learn about the correct using of Enlish composition already. Some words, verbs, adjectives or adverbs are having different using in conversation and composition. It's Korean have, too. Finally when the teachers check up the student's mistakes, it needs correct using according to the native speakers grammer and give it to the students correct feedback. When teachers attemp to give feedback they can use easy examples, correct pronunciation repeatedly and the feedback time needs immediately.
ReplyDeleteGeorge petty sees it as an element of a two-part response to student work.
ReplyDeleteHe calls these two parts 'medal' and 'missions'.
Medal is what we give students for doing something well, and the mission is the direction we give them to improve etc...(p138)
I give an assignment to students when they attend my class.
All of the students should review what they have to do. Then students show me their assignment, so I comment on it.
For example, students use their incorrect verb tenses, pronunciation or spelling etc... In my case, if students accomplish their work or finished their homework, I give them 1-3stickers, and they collect 50stickers they can exchange 2000won.
Also, over-praise to them if they respond well and then I check their homework, and if I see they are incorrect, we find out the problem then explain again.
It's important to give feedback on what the students say rather than just on how they say it. I also prepare their exams.
Depend on J. harmer(p144-145) there are 6 kinds of feedback during accuracy work.
Usually, I use "repeating" and "hinting".
If something isn't clear, keep on asking and saying again and again.
If they can't remember something, I hint to them and this helps them remember, by doing this they correct themselves.
After then, they show me their results that develop their english skills.